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  By Ton DeFrancesco

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If Luntz Global had anything to do with it, time and money well spent.

The NHL might have kicked negotiations into hyper drive with today's proposal to the NHLPA. Bettman and the owners hit on key issues that have held back negotiations in the eye of the players association. If accepted, the NHL will start the season on November 2nd, with all 82 games on the schedule.

"We very much want to preserve a full 82-game season," Bettman told reporters in Toronto after Tuesday's NHL CBA negotiations. "In that light, we made a proposal, an offer, really that is our best shot at preserving an 82-game regular season and playoffs, and this offer that we made obviously was contingent upon having an 82-game regular season."

As positive as this seems from the outside, even with all the candy and lollipops the NHL has handed out today, this thing is hardly over.

The players are all but convinced that this deal is right for them and seem very cautious moving forward. Unfortunately for them, Bettman finally did the right thing and placed a 10-day window on this proposal after the NHLPA frustrated them with their slow negotiation process all summer through fall. As promising as this seems, we are familiar with this situation. In 2004, the NHLPA offered a 24% rollback in December and they had confidence that it would be enough to get a deal done. Instead, they continued "negotiating" for months and ended up cancelling the entire season. The NHL has also been known to place promising deals on the table in the past and pulling them if the timetable expires.

That said, NHL's proposal is very good and certainly a step in the right direction. Here are some quick details:
  • Built on current HRR definitions, which was very important for the NHLPA.
  • Improved their initial offer to 50% of HRR, splitting it down the middle. It would begin after this season and they would not need to phase it in. This season, teams would be allowed to exceed the salary cap.
  • Designed and built without a rollback, but to protect and honor current contracts in place by paying them back over the duration of their contracts.
  • Entry-level contracts would be reduced to two years, some said three, others four but most reputable source says two. [LeBrun]
  • New contract lengths would be limited to five years.
  • NHL contracts assigned to the AHL would be included in the salary cap.
  • NHL players would be elligible for unrestricted free agency after 8 years under contract, or age 28.
  • Potential to retain salary in trades, presenting opportunities for the trade deadline to see a lot of activity again.
Obviously, it would be great to see them play all 82 games this year, but there are still some flaws in the current proposal that the NHLPA will want to iron out. One thing I can see off the bat is that they will be skeptical to accept any deal that limits new contracts to five years. The second thing I can see as a deal-breaker is the proposal to factor in NHL signed players playing in the AHL into the salary cap. Lastly, the third problem the NHLPA might have is the added year to unrestricted free agency, but I don't think that will be as big of a deal as the other two.

As far as addressing the rollback, Darren Dreger reported that the money would be placed on the shelf and paid back over time. I would assume that would not include any accumulated interest. As far as I can tell, this addresses a key issue that the NHLPA has had throughout the entire negotiation process and hopefully this will give them comfort knowing that their current contracts will be honored.

Fehr did not seem overly eager to accept or reject the deal and will take a few days to review it. As always, the NHL stated that they would stand-by and be willing to get back into the war room as soon as they come to a decision.

"We're going to be on-call to them. They have some work to do internally," Bettman stated. "Obviously, we didn't put this proposal, this offer, together overnight, and they're going to need a little time to review it. I'm hoping that review will get us to a positive and constructive place."

The NHL has opened their hand and offered to compromise here. The ball is in Fehr's court now, and while the proposal offered by the NHL isn't exactly perfect for either side, it definitely has a lot of good qualities that should be enough to keep both sides happy. Lets hope he takes it for the sake of our beloved season. We all know what will happen if Fehr decides to be greedy at this point in negotiations.

UPDATE: Details of the proposal are still being released, this article will be edited for accuracy. It has been said that the NHLPA is preparing a counter-offer within the next 24-48 hours. I would assume this means they do not accept the deal as it currently stands.

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As I said in another thread, "Now the owners are starting to have common sense." It took them this long to figure it out?

And with a full 82-game schedule????? How would the dates change in that regard? The season would be a month off (It would start November 2nd).

Here's my source.
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Tom Gulitti@TGfireandice
@JSportsnet: UFA at 28 yrs/8yrs in NHL; 4-year EL deals; 5-yr long term contract limit.; still have arbitration

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Isn't 28 a bit late to be a UFA?

Contract limit looks good.... Still nothing about RFAs yet, though....
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I meant to post this Monday, but a well trusted friend of mine spoke with a player on the Coyotes and the player all but guaranteed that they would be playing in November.

I know, second-hand rumor.
Blah blah...take it for what it's worth. Probably not much.
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Shoots_he_scores
Oct 16 2012 06:05 PM

Isn't 28 a bit late to be a UFA?

Contract limit looks good.... Still nothing about RFAs yet, though....


28/8 is only another year from what the previous CBA was.

This deal is one the players association needs to SERIOUSLY consider. Tough to know all the specifics right now, but the owners have come down quite a bit from the original proposal. I'm sure some negotiating will be done, but the owners took a huge step towards solving this today.
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No kidding. I'm surprised they are even trying to negotiate with this kind of an offer after the past two weeks... There was no offer to speak of, and now this? What a change of heart, huh?
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Indeed interesting.
“@JSportsnet: Another interesting tidbit from NHL offer... Players' Salaries for those NHLers playing in the AHL would be part of the cap.”
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I thought it was always like that? Either that or Capgeek lied to me...
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I thought it was always like that? Either that or Capgeek lied to me...

That's why we sent Olesz down last year. Frees up cap space on NHL team. Still had to pay his full salary in the AHL, but it didn't count against the Hawks cap.
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I'm optimistic this will get it done. Might take a tweek or two, but I'm hopeful.
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Fuck yes!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's why we sent Olesz down last year. Frees up cap space on NHL team. Still had to pay his full salary in the AHL, but it didn't count against the Hawks cap.


Ahh so a way to prevent those nasty albatross contracts. I can understand that. I just hope they won't count against us when the new contract goes in effect...
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thanson1990
Oct 16 2012 06:38 PM
I still think its about a week away from getting done, but this is major step. I'm sure the NHL is trying to get ahead in the PR war here, and that some of the fine print favors the owners. The big thing here, though, is that we are about to begin real negotiations instead od the bull shit back and forth game we've had so far.
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thanson1990
Oct 16 2012 06:49 PM
Also, I think the max contract length should be 7 years. I wonder if the proposal kept the cap hit as average value, or if they changed it to actual salary every season. I'd also be interested in seeing if they're allowing restructuring of contracts or 4 extensio before the last year.
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The Canadian Dreamalchuk
Oct 16 2012 07:29 PM
Just get it done!!!

I don't have an opinion on anything else. Its getting cold and I am tired of watching tv garbage!!

The all owe it to us fans to get this done and get a full season in. That would take all hurtful feelings away and let us all enjoy the game again.
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Whoa!
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Ton DeFrancesco
Oct 16 2012 07:52 PM
Fehr is still an asshole through this. Take the damn deal and play.
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BlackhawkPaul
Oct 16 2012 08:20 PM

Fehr is still an asshole through this. Take the damn deal and play.

Slow down.
It's a proposal. The finer points need to be worked out.
Everything takes time. I'm glad this stride has been taken.
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thanson1990
Oct 16 2012 08:26 PM

Slow down.
It's a proposal. The finer points need to be worked out.
Everything takes time. I'm glad this stride has been taken.

They're at least at a point where they have a reasonable offer to negotiate off of. At least we know that it should get done sooner rather than later.
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As I said in another thread, "Now the owners are starting to have common sense." It took them this long to figure it out?

And with a full 82-game schedule????? How would the dates change in that regard? The season would be a month off (It would start November 2nd).

Here's my source.



Common Sense??

The owners are realizing the backlash that's about to happen from the fans. They have not been on the same page since this started and now are afraid of whats about to transpire with a fan base that had finally started to grow.

I don't buy the "common sense" argument one bit, it's more fear causing this.
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Fehr is still an asshole through this. Take the damn deal and play.


How is he an asshole? Goodenow was the asshole. Fehr is doing his job. Whether you like it or not.

Maybe the owners shouldn't have locked them out while negotiations were on going... How about that one. Fehr was hired to do one thing, his job. SO this time the Players didn't get the complete fucking shaft as they did last time.
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thanson1990
Oct 16 2012 08:40 PM

How is he an asshole? Goodenow was the asshole. Fehr is doing his job. Whether you like it or not.

Maybe the owners shouldn't have locked them out while negotiations were on going... How about that one. Fehr was hired to do one thing, his job. SO this time the Players didn't get the complete fucking shaft as they did last time.

Look up Bettmans quotes from the last lockout. He said how perfect the deal was for the owners. Now 6 years later they can't operate under it anymore? Give me a break, the owners suck.
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Look up Bettmans quotes from the last lockout. He said how perfect the deal was for the owners. Now 6 years later they can't operate under it anymore? Give me a break, the owners suck.


Goodenow had no clue what he was doing. Which is why most knew this was coming with the hiring of Fehr by the NHLPA. I don't understand how Fehr is the asshole for doing his job. If the Owners wanted hockey going on right now the players would be playing.

Not only did they not want hockey going on right now they've been orchestrating this labor dispute since before last season started. It's 100% on Ownership and the NHL. NO question.

Now when something says 50/50 is it really 50/50? You can't just except the offer likes it's word is given? Especially from the Scum bag making the offer.

Not to mention the entire NHLPA must ratify the agreement. Not just Fehr...
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Ton DeFrancesco
Oct 16 2012 09:35 PM
I can't stand Fehr's apathetic method through the negotiation process. Thankfully Bettman put a 10-day window so we don't have to wait another month for Fehr to sit on his ass and promote the NHL's failure through all this.
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You may not like Fehr, but he's done an outstanding job with the NHLPA.
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