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Wednesday, 08.29.2012 | 06:14 PM | NHL
If I were a player sitting in these meetings I would straight up laugh in their faces. At this point the NHL sounds like a crying child who refuses to leave the store until they get every single piece of candy they want from the NHLPA.
Every passing week, the league looks dumber and greedier. No one, no team, no league is above the game. That was demonstrated decades ago when the WHA was formed and directly competed with the NHL for talent, succeeding in luring star players such as Bobby Hull, Andre Lacroix, Marc Tardif, Frank Mahovlich, and Gordie Howe, as well as developing their own talent in Mark Howe, Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier, Michel Goulet, and Rick Vaive. Of course eventually the WHA folded but to this day it remains the NHL's toughest competitor and there is no reason to believe it can't be successful if it's resurrected at the right time -- a time like this.
I can't imagine how frustrating this process has to be for the players... not to mention now the 16 general manager's that were told the cap would be as high as $70 million. The NHL very well knows the NHLPA will not allow a $12 million cap reduction per team, so why even propose it?
So how does the NHL take the NHLPA's proposal this week? They wipe it with their asses and tell the players they must give up nearly $360 million this upcoming season and cut contracts by 11%. Great way to keep your employees happy, not to mention piss off your general managers.
There will be a conference call at 5:30 PM EST today, so we'll update this post as more information rears it's ugly head.
UPDATE 3:45 PM CT
- NHL improves their initial offer of 43% HRR to 46%.
- NHLPA projects escrow would go to 15%-20% under NHL's proposal.
- NHLPA still hasn't received last season's specific club by club breakdowns on HRR.
- NHLPA's original counter-offer proposed to reduce Players Share from 57% to 54% for 3 years to create an Industry Growth Fund with $100 million for small markets.
- NHL's counter-offer proposed that the share of the players will go down 11.5% in the first year, 8.5% in the second year, and 5.5% in the third year.
The owners essentially proposed a creative way to pay the players less and masked the numbers through different forms of cutting back. Bettman stated that they moved more money but in reality where they moved 3% they gained 15-20% in escrow. How it works is that they'll take a portion of player salaries during the season (escrow) and once the season is completed all forms of league revenues are added up. Based on those HRR figures, the cash is then divided up and if there's enough, they send it back to the players.
In short, the NHL wants to change the definition of Hockey Related Revenue and Fehr says the players want it to stay the same. The NHL also wants a longer deal to be made while the NHLPA wants a shorter CBA. The players are willing to take a pay cut, but the owners want more through escrow funds and although they increased HRR to 46%, essentially more money could be lost through their new proposal.
Although the two sides are nearing closer to a revenue sharing plan (as the NHL is not only pushed by the NHLPA but small market teams as well) there is still a lot of work to be done regarding player contracts as well as smaller details. Don't expect hockey to start on time.
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I believe the deadline date is September 15th.
I can tell you this, a number of Blackhawks players assigned to the IceHogs including those with entry level contracts will be conditioning and training here in Rockford in the next few weeks. I have been told that a few Blackhawks players are eligible here and are planning on playing here if (when) there is a strike.
Does anyone know if the Blackhawks players are allowed to still train, condition and practice as a team at their arenas while a strike is imposed?
Once the Lockout is imposed most players will go on their own to condition, play in Europe, ect ect.... I don't know that all eligable to go to Rockford will, as in a lock out and part of the NHLPA it will be their choice from my understanding. The only ones eligable are on two way or entry level contracts. I also believe it's their choice as well....
Toews, Kane, players not on entry level/two way contracts will NOT be allowed to use Team facilities.
Players are already preparing for the event of a lock out..
Aug 29, 2012 - With pessimism surrounding the NHL labor negotiations and a lockout looming, star Pittsburgh Penguins center Evgeni Malkin has indicated he'll play overseas in Russia if there is a work stoppage. Malkin, the 2012 Art Ross Trophy winner and Hart Trophy winner, told Pavel Lysenkov of Sovietsky Sport in Russia that he would play for Metallurg Magnitogorsk in the KHL if a lockout occurs. Malkin played with Metallurg for three seasons prior to joining the Penguins. Both sides have reportedly already engaged in discussions about a potential week-to-week contract in the event of a lockout.
Malkin also dished an update on his superstar teammate, Sidney Crosby. The Russian said Crosby may play in the KHL in the event of a lockout., but he would not play there in 2012. Malkin told Lynsenkov that Crosby wouldn't come over to Russia unless the entire season was canceled, and that the Pens captain would wait until after Christmas to make that move
Thanks for answering.
the NHL plan going back is fucked. Specially when you read the break down. So they give all these guys HUGE, LONG contracts, then say lets roll back the Cap so that 16 teams are currently over and 2 are 10 mil over....
Fuck the NHL and their owners!
Fixed for emphasis.
Fixed for accuracy.
- Fehr states that NHL improves their initial offer of 43% HRR to 46%.
- Fehr hopes to respond with counter-offer as early as tomorrow but Friday is more likely.
- The NHLPA projects escrow would go to 15 to 20 percent under NHL's proposal.
- NHLPA still hasn't received last season's specific club by club breakdowns on HRR.
- Bettman said it was a brief session with the NHLPA and responded to 5 or 6 questions regarding the proposal.
In short, the NHL wants to change the definition of Hockey Related Revenue and Fehr says the players want it to stay the same. The NHL also wants a longer deal to be made while the NHLPA wants a shorter CBA.Gary Bettman: "You need to consider what's fair because we run the league at 43% of the revenues."
#1 - Who's fault is that?
#2 - How is it fair to reverse the numbers? "Fair" would be 50-50.
going to be a boring long winter. maybe good as i can get some shit done for once. nhl is starting to lose me a little bit more day by day. not sure if i will invest the same amount of passion in it as i once did. ill watch hawk games but probably won't give as much attention to other games as i used to. not sure what the point is anymore. time to move on to other interests more.
And this is exactly why the NHLPA's plan would go a long way towards solving that. Unfortunately the higher market teams won't like it, but as a whole the league would benefit.
Wow this is getting messy! What an asshole. While I agree 57% is high, that is an extremely poor choice of words.
EDIT: Parise fires back: "We’re ready to play. We want to play. But Gary'’s pretty adamant about his third lockout of his tenure.”
In any event, someone at HF Boards thankfully did the drudgery mathwork in terms of speculating what $58 mil could wind up doing.
^ Ahahaha! Let them feel what some damn roster purge feels like as a punishment for just trying to build a good contending club (Flames notwithstanding of course as they've just been building crap, heh).
Also, from the sounds of things, not only will the cap be effected, but players will actually have to "pay back" their contracts that they have ALREADY signed due to the NHL's proposed escrow agreement. So if that works out, teams like Boston and Minnesota might be fine if they rollback the cap hits.
Any free agent that hasn't signed a la Doan should just sit this out until the lockout is finished.
Yup. Everyone and every team is gonna feel a bite out of their ass on one front or another.
Things are certainly going to get fucking interesting! Besides the revenue sharing numbers and the cap numbers all these other little details have to be hammered out. It would actually be petty hysterical to see the simple majority that's needed for passing the CBA go all commando, "Fuck you!" LOL Why should Burke or Tallon care about helping San Jose and Minny and Boston?
Hey dipshit... the NHLPA didn't demand a 14% increase off the bat! By that logic, the NHLPA could have demanded 71% HRR and then dropped to 65% and bragged that they in fact moved more money than 43% to 46%!
To be honest it seems more like the NHLPA + 10 or more NHL teams vs the rest.
Where the Profitable teams are on the outside.
There is no way they come to a resolution with this shit going back and forth. Players are solid and are already preparing to play elsewhere..
http://www.hockeyzon...m/salaries/3152
What is telling is his salary before the lockout of 04-05, and what a player of his caliber gave up as a result of the 2005 CBA. Note that (if we excuse diminishing returns on players) his salary ma have to go a full decade before hitting the 9.5 million tag for the 2012-13 season. The question remains, why should the players need to rollback a second time. The first reason made a bit of sense in 2004, but the owners got what they wanted. This is their deal.